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T O P I C R E V I E WPadre35Ugh, anyone feel the need or just always try, to be "too perfect"?I chat with lots of people, men and women, and for myself I'm simply not able to not try and be "perfect"What is meant by this is always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?Suppose it is charm, or just being very polite, my goodness thoughsandidk but u should be a natural at the charm with ur sag sun (if i remember right) and leo moon.. Ami Anne quote:Originally posted by Padre35:Ugh, anyone feel the need or just always try, to be "too perfect"?I chat with lots of people, men and women, and for myself I'm simply not able to not try and be "perfect"What is meant by this is always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?Suppose it is charm, or just being very polite, my goodness thoughTotally. Admitting it is a big thing! I am proud of you ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Padre35 quote:Originally posted by sand:idk but u should be a natural at the charm with ur sag sun (if i remember right) and leo moon.. Oh sure, and was raised with manners so to speak, but what happens is if I make on misstep or weird hear about even 6 months later.It's as if people save that stuff up then beat me over the head with it forever and it is rather annoying.BUT, if one acts annoyed that is when it really is poured on as in "oh a chink in the armor!"I'm the sort who does not remind others of their foibles, however people are more than happy to remind me of mine.But if I "flip" it scares the utter **** out of people, even if I raise my voice it just startles people, when I get angry people tend to GTFO like children whose parents are mad at them. apparently when the Scorpio comes out it tends to really frighten people so much so they avoid me afterwards even tho I'm fine.Xiiro quote:Originally posted by Padre35:Ugh, anyone feel the need or just always try, to be "too perfect"?I chat with lots of people, men and women, and for myself I'm simply not able to not try and be "perfect"What is meant by this is always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?Suppose it is charm, or just being very polite, my goodness thoughI struggle with this too and I'm also a Sag.My internal environment will not settle for anything other than perfection (which I also know is impossible, but have great difficulty actually realizing). I attribute this to several factors.Moon in Virgo 6th square Sag Sun 8th - Finding comfort in constantly refining my selfNN/Pluto in Libra 6th conjunct DSC (opposed ASC)- Obsessively driven to relate perfectly with my environment. Constantly focused on transforming how I project myself.Saturn in Virgo 5th square Venus in Scorpio 8th - I find creative joy in uncovering personal flaws and "fixing" (aka disciplining) myself. That desire can override my ability to appreciate myself as beautiful just the way I am. I grew up with a father who was afraid of his flaws and a mother who ignored hers. I also had to fight for acceptance from my siblings, because they actively disliked me. Facing my own flaws is a process I have needed to develop from scratch. It is a difficult road, but for me it has been about considering my self "acceptable" and progressing from there. With Pluto/NN/DSC The ultimate lesson for me is experiencing being natural as perfect.crabbypattyPadre, I know exactly what you're talking about. It's my natural inclination in conversations with people. I think it's all my Libra that brings out the diplomacy. and the bending over backwards to accommodate the other, whoever that might be. And I, too, am scary to people when I flip (which isn't often, thank G-d). Scorpio sun isn't far below the surface!Padre35Goodness Xiiro, I'm very much the same way, when I find a personal weakness I attack it full throttle.Crabbypatty, this is sort of how I was raised, one was always polite and interested in the other person only interjecting a personal note when it adds something to their point.I've gone through this before and the problem was not that I was unable to act differently, it was more that, once again, full throttle.It's as if the charm part people love, but people being mistrustful, want to see the other side as well.So they act ugly, in a provocative manner to see what I'll do, "gentleman" or "nice guy".Problem for me is my dark/angry side is very very dark and cutting all of the insight focused in a powerful way on someone else's obvious (to me) flaws and I've literally made others cry with just 3 sentences.Then again, there is also this odd thing women do when they like you, they tease the heck out of you, not realizing how personal that can be taken b/c they've never seen it before from you.Ami AnnePadre You would need just the right synastry. You would need a moon trine moon, as they could understand you. With the right synastry, things can be doable. I think someone's planets touching my SN, too. You feel like you know them. I know this was off the subject, but just thought I would add it.HI CRABBY. ------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/Padre35 quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:Padre You would need just the right synastry. You would need a moon trine moon, as they could understand you. With the right synastry, things can be doable. I think someone's planets touching my SN, too. You feel like you know them. I know this was off the subject, but just thought I would add it.HI CRABBY. Which is fine, it is more that when you meet people it is not as if they have their synastry chart on them.My chart is rather odd and tbh, it is very nearly a college course on it's own to properly read one if it is available.crabbypattyoh ...I see Padre ...they try to get a rise out of you ...well that's one problem I don't have with anyone other than my eight year old son!Hi Ami ...too long since we've spoken ...following your blog though and very glad to see how prolific you've been ....xoxoxoxo Padre35Suspected you'd "feel" what I was speaking about Mrs CrabbyPatty!Perhaps this is really just an opportunity to be "me" and find that sort of tough but fair middle ground.crabbypattyhmmmm I think I might have honed in on what's at least partially responsible for this behavior ...you do have a natal moon square venus...right Padre ? That's based on a chart you posted way back when ... with a Buffalo place of birth ?crabbypattyand the venus sextile MC ....there is a lot of 'agreeable' in the chart ...but I am a novice so take it with a few grains of salt !Padre35 quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:hmmmm I think I might have honed in on what's at least partially responsible for this behavior ...you do have a natal moon square venus...right Padre ? That's based on a chart you posted way back when ... with a Buffalo place of birth ?That is correct w/a moon square Mars as well.Nice memory!Padre35 quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:and the venus sextile MC ....there is a lot of 'agreeable' in the chart ...but I am a novice so take it with a few grains of salt !Perhaps to much, in my experience women are very intuitive and tend to want to sort of probe."No one is constantly that nice"True, to a point, then again it would be better to just deal with that than poke around and see the ugly that I'm very careful with at all times.crabbypattylol ...not memory ....sleuthing !Padre35See above post! crabbypattywell you're right Padre ...a smart woman wants to probe. And that's good for both of you because it's better to know what you're potentially dealing with up front so you both can decide if you can handle one another's difficult facets before things get too serious. You might need a woman who knows your proclivity for maybe blowing up here and there ...and can handle it without falling apart and takin.g everything personally. So I say : fight a bit against your natal influence and say your truth from the get go !Funny how I am better at giving advice to someone else !Padre35 quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:well you're right Padre ...a smart woman wants to probe. And that's good for both of you because it's better to know what you're potentially dealing with up front so you both can decide if you can handle one another's difficult facets before things get too serious. You might need a woman who knows your proclivity for maybe blowing up here and there ...and can handle it without falling apart and takin.g everything personally. So I say : fight a bit against your natal influence and say your truth from the get go !Funny how I am better at giving advice to someone else !To blunt, it is an odd place to be, the women I like are smarter and more bookish, the women who like me quickly tend to be ah, more primal.I'm chatting with Ms Virgo and literally 3 very attractive women introduced themselves."Oh, I'm so and so, what is your name"?Do not blame someone probing, I do the same myself, it is a smart play, do not care for the sort of sneaky way it happens sometimes.As for advice, in my experience that is more of a confidence issue, it is always easier to "sweep" someone else's house than it is to sweep one own house.The "cure" for that is to sort of step off of the cliff and to trust oneself. Odd thing about people is the voice in everyone's head can be friend or foe, it just depends on what you tell it to be.Odette quote:always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?...No - I don't do this. Because I have Pisces Mercury, I generally try to make the people I'm around - happy and comfortable.. but I don't subvert my own thoughts and feelings in the process..
I chat with lots of people, men and women, and for myself I'm simply not able to not try and be "perfect"
What is meant by this is always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?
Suppose it is charm, or just being very polite, my goodness though
quote:Originally posted by Padre35:Ugh, anyone feel the need or just always try, to be "too perfect"?I chat with lots of people, men and women, and for myself I'm simply not able to not try and be "perfect"What is meant by this is always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?Suppose it is charm, or just being very polite, my goodness though
Totally. Admitting it is a big thing! I am proud of you
------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
quote:Originally posted by sand:idk but u should be a natural at the charm with ur sag sun (if i remember right) and leo moon..
Oh sure, and was raised with manners so to speak, but what happens is if I make on misstep or weird hear about even 6 months later.
It's as if people save that stuff up then beat me over the head with it forever and it is rather annoying.
BUT, if one acts annoyed that is when it really is poured on as in "oh a chink in the armor!"
I'm the sort who does not remind others of their foibles, however people are more than happy to remind me of mine.
But if I "flip" it scares the utter **** out of people, even if I raise my voice it just startles people, when I get angry people tend to GTFO like children whose parents are mad at them.
apparently when the Scorpio comes out it tends to really frighten people so much so they avoid me afterwards even tho I'm fine.
I struggle with this too and I'm also a Sag.
My internal environment will not settle for anything other than perfection (which I also know is impossible, but have great difficulty actually realizing). I attribute this to several factors.
Moon in Virgo 6th square Sag Sun 8th - Finding comfort in constantly refining my selfNN/Pluto in Libra 6th conjunct DSC (opposed ASC)- Obsessively driven to relate perfectly with my environment. Constantly focused on transforming how I project myself.Saturn in Virgo 5th square Venus in Scorpio 8th - I find creative joy in uncovering personal flaws and "fixing" (aka disciplining) myself. That desire can override my ability to appreciate myself as beautiful just the way I am.
I grew up with a father who was afraid of his flaws and a mother who ignored hers. I also had to fight for acceptance from my siblings, because they actively disliked me. Facing my own flaws is a process I have needed to develop from scratch. It is a difficult road, but for me it has been about considering my self "acceptable" and progressing from there. With Pluto/NN/DSC The ultimate lesson for me is experiencing being natural as perfect.
Crabbypatty, this is sort of how I was raised, one was always polite and interested in the other person only interjecting a personal note when it adds something to their point.
I've gone through this before and the problem was not that I was unable to act differently, it was more that, once again, full throttle.
It's as if the charm part people love, but people being mistrustful, want to see the other side as well.
So they act ugly, in a provocative manner to see what I'll do, "gentleman" or "nice guy".
Problem for me is my dark/angry side is very very dark and cutting all of the insight focused in a powerful way on someone else's obvious (to me) flaws and I've literally made others cry with just 3 sentences.
Then again, there is also this odd thing women do when they like you, they tease the heck out of you, not realizing how personal that can be taken b/c they've never seen it before from you.
HI CRABBY.
quote:Originally posted by Ami Anne:Padre You would need just the right synastry. You would need a moon trine moon, as they could understand you. With the right synastry, things can be doable. I think someone's planets touching my SN, too. You feel like you know them. I know this was off the subject, but just thought I would add it.HI CRABBY.
Which is fine, it is more that when you meet people it is not as if they have their synastry chart on them.
My chart is rather odd and tbh, it is very nearly a college course on it's own to properly read one if it is available.
Hi Ami ...too long since we've spoken ...following your blog though and very glad to see how prolific you've been ....xoxoxoxo
Perhaps this is really just an opportunity to be "me" and find that sort of tough but fair middle ground.
quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:hmmmm I think I might have honed in on what's at least partially responsible for this behavior ...you do have a natal moon square venus...right Padre ? That's based on a chart you posted way back when ... with a Buffalo place of birth ?
That is correct w/a moon square Mars as well.
Nice memory!
quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:and the venus sextile MC ....there is a lot of 'agreeable' in the chart ...but I am a novice so take it with a few grains of salt !
Perhaps to much, in my experience women are very intuitive and tend to want to sort of probe.
"No one is constantly that nice"
True, to a point, then again it would be better to just deal with that than poke around and see the ugly that I'm very careful with at all times.
See above post!
Funny how I am better at giving advice to someone else !
quote:Originally posted by crabbypatty:well you're right Padre ...a smart woman wants to probe. And that's good for both of you because it's better to know what you're potentially dealing with up front so you both can decide if you can handle one another's difficult facets before things get too serious. You might need a woman who knows your proclivity for maybe blowing up here and there ...and can handle it without falling apart and takin.g everything personally. So I say : fight a bit against your natal influence and say your truth from the get go !Funny how I am better at giving advice to someone else !
To blunt, it is an odd place to be, the women I like are smarter and more bookish, the women who like me quickly tend to be ah, more primal.
I'm chatting with Ms Virgo and literally 3 very attractive women introduced themselves.
"Oh, I'm so and so, what is your name"?
Do not blame someone probing, I do the same myself, it is a smart play, do not care for the sort of sneaky way it happens sometimes.
As for advice, in my experience that is more of a confidence issue, it is always easier to "sweep" someone else's house than it is to sweep one own house.
The "cure" for that is to sort of step off of the cliff and to trust oneself. Odd thing about people is the voice in everyone's head can be friend or foe, it just depends on what you tell it to be.
quote:always subverting one's own thoughts, feelings, desire, to make the person one is talking with feel better/more confident/more brilliant?
...No - I don't do this. Because I have Pisces Mercury, I generally try to make the people I'm around - happy and comfortable.. but I don't subvert my own thoughts and feelings in the process..
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